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		ParÂ : Martin Otis		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Martin Otis]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Oct 2007 02:19:40 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[je sais que ce ne se fera pas, mais je l&#039;aurai rasÃ© cet affreux bloc carrÃ© sans intÃ©rÃªt qui gÃ¢che la vue sur le fleuve...my two cents....]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>je sais que ce ne se fera pas, mais je l&rsquo;aurai rasÃ© cet affreux bloc carrÃ© sans intÃ©rÃªt qui gÃ¢che la vue sur le fleuve&#8230;my two cents&#8230;.</p>
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		ParÂ : jaco		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[jaco]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Oct 2007 00:57:15 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I agree with that:
&quot;My only concern and observation is that some of these buildings in the area - including the Canada Post building are quite isolating. In terms of the buildingâ€™s relation to the street and ultimately the neigbhourhood as a whole. Even the Old Port Interpretation Centre...
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La seule chose que je voulais faire ressortir  est que  les 2 cotÃ©s de la rue sont qualifiÃ©s diffÃ©remment  , et qu&#039;on devrait conserver cette diffÃ©rence...

D&#039;un cotÃ© c&#039;est ; &quot;open space&quot;,   market,  nomadic space ,  little waterfront with marina,  bike-trail, public-space &quot;

De l,autre cotÃ© de la rue c&#039;est la transition vers la trame urbaine plus reserrÃ© et dense du vieux-quÃ©bec..

A mon avis , on devrait y aller de projets qui respectent cette diffÃ©rence;  le ludique, sports baignades cinÃ©mas, petits musÃ©s, pourquoi pas une piscine? ( du cotÃ© &quot;waterfront&quot;)
Et on devrait Ãªtre plutot mÃ©fiants des projets de bureaux et de condominiums qui &quot;privatiseraient&quot; l&#039;espace...]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with that:<br />
Â«Â My only concern and observation is that some of these buildings in the area &#8211; including the Canada Post building are quite isolating. In terms of the buildingâ€™s relation to the street and ultimately the neigbhourhood as a whole. Even the Old Port Interpretation Centre&#8230;<br />
Â Â»<br />
La seule chose que je voulais faire ressortir  est que  les 2 cotÃ©s de la rue sont qualifiÃ©s diffÃ©remment  , et qu&rsquo;on devrait conserver cette diffÃ©rence&#8230;</p>
<p>D&rsquo;un cotÃ© c&rsquo;est ; Â«Â open spaceÂ Â»,   market,  nomadic space ,  little waterfront with marina,  bike-trail, public-space Â Â»</p>
<p>De l,autre cotÃ© de la rue c&rsquo;est la transition vers la trame urbaine plus reserrÃ© et dense du vieux-quÃ©bec..</p>
<p>A mon avis , on devrait y aller de projets qui respectent cette diffÃ©rence;  le ludique, sports baignades cinÃ©mas, petits musÃ©s, pourquoi pas une piscine? ( du cotÃ© Â«Â waterfrontÂ Â»)<br />
Et on devrait Ãªtre plutot mÃ©fiants des projets de bureaux et de condominiums qui Â«Â privatiseraientÂ Â» l&rsquo;espace&#8230;</p>
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		ParÂ : E Wood		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[E Wood]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Oct 2007 19:18:45 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I would like to comment on the subsequent responses to the message that I posted previously .  Hopefully I understood your comments correctly - I&#039;m not really fluent in French!

I absolutely agree that the neigbhourhood has been blighted with some banal architecture.  The Federal redbrick buildings are a perfect example.  The only positive thing that I can think of regarding these buildings is that it adds some new usage of space to a fomer industrial site and the scale of the buildings matches the rest of the neighbourhood.

The site (Federal redbrick building) sits on such an important site; on the waterfront adjacent to a UNESCO recognized historical jewel.  These redbrick buildings could be anywhere from Quebec City to Cape Town South Africa.  I&#039;m not saying that every building needs to be an eye catching sculpture but given the fact of it&#039;s superior location, the red buildings now look like a wasted opportunity for something special.

I understand that the buildings in the area reflect the different usages; commercial, industrial, residential, institutional etc.   I&#039;m in total agreeance of mixed usage.  In fact it&#039;s the most healthy way of creating a fully vibrant neighbourhood.  My only concern and observation is that some of these buildings in the area - including the Canada Post building are quite isolating.  In terms of the building&#039;s relation to the street and ultimately the neigbhourhood as a whole.  Even the Old Port Interpretation Centre before it&#039;s renovation was quite isolating.  The overall look of the building was like a bunker or an island onto itself.  Hopefully with the new glass it will look more transparent and more inviting.

Again I&#039;m NOT saying that the buildings across the street should be replicated, as they are residential.  In fact there are some modern looking new homes and condos in the area that are mixed in with the 19th century buildings.  Even though these buildings are of a more contemporary design, they  work really well - because these new buildings respect the scale of the neighourhood and try to reflect it&#039;s surroundings by not replicating but complimenting.

Just because an building is industrial does not mean that it needs to turn &quot;it&#039;s back&quot; from the street.  I think this is a modern invention that has destroyed so many North American cities.  As a person who comes from outside the city to visit, one of the city&#039;s appeals is of course it&#039;s charm and beauty but even more importantly is the scale of the city.  Old Quebec is is alluring to the eyes as it tries to evoke images of the past but it&#039;s becoming quite &quot;Disneyfied&quot;  In the older non touristy neigbhourhoods - i.e. St. Jean Baptiste, Montcalm, Sillery the appeal is beyond architecture.  Everything is on a human scale, you see people walking around, their is life on the streets.  Buildings, streets and districts are multi-functioning.   Great cities around the globe like London, Paris, New York, Barcelona all have this in common.  In North America this sort of city is something people aspire their city to become and for some it seems cities (i.e. Detroit) it is a distant dream.

Quebec City already has these qualities.  It is not doubt a beautiful city and the area around the Old Port is truly a unique gem.  Planners and architects have a really tall order in preserving all the elements that make this neighbourhood work one building at a time.  As North American&#039;s it&#039;s really hard to not suburbanizing everything because that sort of planning and architecture is so plentiful and ubiquitous.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would like to comment on the subsequent responses to the message that I posted previously .  Hopefully I understood your comments correctly &#8211; I&rsquo;m not really fluent in French!</p>
<p>I absolutely agree that the neigbhourhood has been blighted with some banal architecture.  The Federal redbrick buildings are a perfect example.  The only positive thing that I can think of regarding these buildings is that it adds some new usage of space to a fomer industrial site and the scale of the buildings matches the rest of the neighbourhood.</p>
<p>The site (Federal redbrick building) sits on such an important site; on the waterfront adjacent to a UNESCO recognized historical jewel.  These redbrick buildings could be anywhere from Quebec City to Cape Town South Africa.  I&rsquo;m not saying that every building needs to be an eye catching sculpture but given the fact of it&rsquo;s superior location, the red buildings now look like a wasted opportunity for something special.</p>
<p>I understand that the buildings in the area reflect the different usages; commercial, industrial, residential, institutional etc.   I&rsquo;m in total agreeance of mixed usage.  In fact it&rsquo;s the most healthy way of creating a fully vibrant neighbourhood.  My only concern and observation is that some of these buildings in the area &#8211; including the Canada Post building are quite isolating.  In terms of the building&rsquo;s relation to the street and ultimately the neigbhourhood as a whole.  Even the Old Port Interpretation Centre before it&rsquo;s renovation was quite isolating.  The overall look of the building was like a bunker or an island onto itself.  Hopefully with the new glass it will look more transparent and more inviting.</p>
<p>Again I&rsquo;m NOT saying that the buildings across the street should be replicated, as they are residential.  In fact there are some modern looking new homes and condos in the area that are mixed in with the 19th century buildings.  Even though these buildings are of a more contemporary design, they  work really well &#8211; because these new buildings respect the scale of the neighourhood and try to reflect it&rsquo;s surroundings by not replicating but complimenting.</p>
<p>Just because an building is industrial does not mean that it needs to turn Â«Â it&rsquo;s backÂ Â» from the street.  I think this is a modern invention that has destroyed so many North American cities.  As a person who comes from outside the city to visit, one of the city&rsquo;s appeals is of course it&rsquo;s charm and beauty but even more importantly is the scale of the city.  Old Quebec is is alluring to the eyes as it tries to evoke images of the past but it&rsquo;s becoming quite Â«Â DisneyfiedÂ Â»  In the older non touristy neigbhourhoods &#8211; i.e. St. Jean Baptiste, Montcalm, Sillery the appeal is beyond architecture.  Everything is on a human scale, you see people walking around, their is life on the streets.  Buildings, streets and districts are multi-functioning.   Great cities around the globe like London, Paris, New York, Barcelona all have this in common.  In North America this sort of city is something people aspire their city to become and for some it seems cities (i.e. Detroit) it is a distant dream.</p>
<p>Quebec City already has these qualities.  It is not doubt a beautiful city and the area around the Old Port is truly a unique gem.  Planners and architects have a really tall order in preserving all the elements that make this neighbourhood work one building at a time.  As North American&rsquo;s it&rsquo;s really hard to not suburbanizing everything because that sort of planning and architecture is so plentiful and ubiquitous.</p>
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		ParÂ : JT		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[JT]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Oct 2007 16:42:53 +0000</pubDate>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Je partage l&rsquo;opinion de Jaco sauf pour : Â«Â Personnellement , ca ne me dÃ©range pas que lâ€™architecture soit â€œincohÃ©renteâ€? avec lâ€™autre cotÃ© de la rue dans le sens que ce cotÃ© de rue a toujours Ã©tÃ© un espace pour entrepots, ou fabriques ou zones de dÃ©chargement etc<br />
alors que lâ€™autre cotÃ© a plutot Ã©tÃ© consacrÃ© a lâ€™habitation et commercesâ€¦Â Â»</p>
<p>C&rsquo;est vrai que c&rsquo;est ce qui a toujours Ã©tÃ©, mais ce n&rsquo;est pas une raison pour ne pas essayer de donner une nouvelle cohÃ©rence Ã  la rue. Contrairement Ã  E Wood, je pense que l&rsquo;amÃ©nagement urbain (route et trottoire) ne sont pas le problÃ¨me (mÃªme si une piste cyclable digne de ce nom serait un atout.)</p>
<p>Ce que je trouve incohÃ©rent sur ce bord de la rue, c&rsquo;est la disontinuitÃ© de la trame urbaine. Il y a un stationnement Ã©norme, ce qui fait le mÃªme effet que si une station service avait fermÃ©e ses portes. Je ne pense pas que ce problÃ¨me sera ciblÃ© par l&rsquo;intervention de Kevlar et pourtant, je pense que c&rsquo;est ce qui devrait Ãªtre fait pour amÃ©liorer l&rsquo;ambiance dÃ©gagÃ© par ce secteur..</p>
<p>(Je parle strictement du segment entre les rues Abraham-Martin et Quai St-AndrÃ©.)</p>
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		ParÂ : jaco		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[jaco]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Oct 2007 04:09:29 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Faudrait savoir ce que le promoteur entend par &quot;rÃ©nover&quot;...

C&#039;est assez dÃ©licat  a faire (dans ce secteur) et ca prend du &quot;doigtÃ©&quot;...
Les Ã©difices fÃ©dÃ©raux du vieux-port en brique rouge ne sont pas tres convainquants, a mon avis et ne devraient pas servir d&#039;exemple..

Personnellement , ca ne me dÃ©range pas que l&#039;architecture soit &quot;incohÃ©rente&quot; avec l&#039;autre cotÃ© de la rue  dans le sens que ce cotÃ© de rue a toujours Ã©tÃ© un espace pour entrepots, ou fabriques ou zones de dÃ©chargement etc  
alors que l&#039;autre cotÃ©  a plutot Ã©tÃ© consacrÃ© a l&#039;habitation et commerces...

Il n,y aurait pas intÃ©ret a reproduire l&#039;architecture de l&#039;autre cotÃ© de la rue...

 Je suis d&#039;accord avec M Woods pour une meilleure qualitÃ© d&#039;intÃ©gration, mais il faudra attrendre la fin des travaux de espace-400 et du parc ... pour se faire une meilleure image...]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Faudrait savoir ce que le promoteur entend par Â«Â rÃ©noverÂ Â»&#8230;</p>
<p>C&rsquo;est assez dÃ©licat  a faire (dans ce secteur) et ca prend du Â«Â doigtÃ©Â Â»&#8230;<br />
Les Ã©difices fÃ©dÃ©raux du vieux-port en brique rouge ne sont pas tres convainquants, a mon avis et ne devraient pas servir d&rsquo;exemple..</p>
<p>Personnellement , ca ne me dÃ©range pas que l&rsquo;architecture soit Â«Â incohÃ©renteÂ Â» avec l&rsquo;autre cotÃ© de la rue  dans le sens que ce cotÃ© de rue a toujours Ã©tÃ© un espace pour entrepots, ou fabriques ou zones de dÃ©chargement etc<br />
alors que l&rsquo;autre cotÃ©  a plutot Ã©tÃ© consacrÃ© a l&rsquo;habitation et commerces&#8230;</p>
<p>Il n,y aurait pas intÃ©ret a reproduire l&rsquo;architecture de l&rsquo;autre cotÃ© de la rue&#8230;</p>
<p> Je suis d&rsquo;accord avec M Woods pour une meilleure qualitÃ© d&rsquo;intÃ©gration, mais il faudra attrendre la fin des travaux de espace-400 et du parc &#8230; pour se faire une meilleure image&#8230;</p>
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		ParÂ : ArtByte		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Oct 2007 03:48:23 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Bonne nouvelle, l&#039;Ã©difice de la poste a un trÃ¨s bon potentiel Ã  cet endroit.

Et puis, enfin quelqu&#039;un qui a un projet intÃ©ressant pour localiser les fonctionnaires fÃ©dÃ©raux dans Saint-Roch. Et Ã§a remplirait le trou derriÃ¨re la Fabrique, ou une multitude de projets ont Ã©tÃ© prÃ©sentÃ©s sans jamais se rÃ©aliser. J&#039;espÃ¨re que tout Ã§a va se rÃ©aliser.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bonne nouvelle, l&rsquo;Ã©difice de la poste a un trÃ¨s bon potentiel Ã  cet endroit.</p>
<p>Et puis, enfin quelqu&rsquo;un qui a un projet intÃ©ressant pour localiser les fonctionnaires fÃ©dÃ©raux dans Saint-Roch. Et Ã§a remplirait le trou derriÃ¨re la Fabrique, ou une multitude de projets ont Ã©tÃ© prÃ©sentÃ©s sans jamais se rÃ©aliser. J&rsquo;espÃ¨re que tout Ã§a va se rÃ©aliser.</p>
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		ParÂ : E Wood		</title>
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					<description><![CDATA[If I understood this correctly the new owners of this building will renovate the building from inside to outside.  Thank goodness!  This building is such an ugly eyesore and is totally incoherent with the buildings on the other side of the street.  What is even more sad is that it sits on such an amazing piece property right next to the water.  The buildings on this side of the street need to be of a better design.  Hopefully the espace 400 buildings will be a catalyst.  Overall St.Paul street lacks warmth.  It feels like a surrogate highway.  I think if the road was narrowed down on each side to include a bike lane and a line of trees grown in the middle as a median it would make it much more inviting to pedestrians and humanizing it as well.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If I understood this correctly the new owners of this building will renovate the building from inside to outside.  Thank goodness!  This building is such an ugly eyesore and is totally incoherent with the buildings on the other side of the street.  What is even more sad is that it sits on such an amazing piece property right next to the water.  The buildings on this side of the street need to be of a better design.  Hopefully the espace 400 buildings will be a catalyst.  Overall St.Paul street lacks warmth.  It feels like a surrogate highway.  I think if the road was narrowed down on each side to include a bike lane and a line of trees grown in the middle as a median it would make it much more inviting to pedestrians and humanizing it as well.</p>
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